Allow me to interrupt with yet another of those messages that everyone hates. (although with all the off-topic stuff on this list, I don't really see the problem). I have tried four times in the last two months to get off this list, and I am not getting anywhere. Does anyone on this list know if there is a human reading the mail sent to the list "moderator" by the majordomo software ? My apologies for the post direct to this list, but I've gone beyond frustrated right through to annoyed. That's the last time I subscribe my real email address to a list server, next time it's an alias so I can /dev/null it. (No, I don't have time to set up procmail). ------------------------------------------------------------------- Ivan Angus (Ivan.Angus@anu.edu.au) Here : x3261 Teaching and Learning Technology Support Unit There : (06) 249 3261 Australian National University Everywhere : +61 6 249 3261